Originally posted by Details-Examples

If you guys are actually awake now would you mind addressing this

I have this on my list of things to present to the development team. It is very well written and highlights several concerns with melee that I've seen from different members of the community.

Originally posted by KidGoku1

Excuse my frustration here but WTH? What has the turret got to do ANYTHING with lower level players joining twine? NOTHING. Its your awful matchmaking system that allows them to be there. The hover turret MAKES the game more fun. Helps people who solo too. How about instead of nerfing that you guys improve all the other gadgets on par with the turret so for once they dont become useless? I have so many complaints with this game yet you guys focus so much on nerfing the few good things this game has running for it.

The whole reason I mentioned the Hover Turret is because it helps lower level players complete the Storm Chest (which is where they are farming the materials) in higher level zones.. regardless if they have unlocked the skill tree perks or not. While this isn't the SOLE reason lower level players are zoning into higher level zones.. it definitely enables them to do the content they are farming (Primarily Storm Chest). Also, we introduced a feature that gated players behind quest progression to combat this sort of thing.. but it locked a ton of high level players behind hours of quest so reverted the change.

In terms of other gadget viability, I've gathered feedback from players in different sections of the game (early game to complete capped out players) regarding the viability of the other gadgets and presented this to the dev team. Unfortunately, implementing any change to any aspect of the game takes time and we won't release anything, feature or balance, before we're ready.

Originally posted by EducationalTeaching

Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean to sound combative, but you wouldn't be telling someone they "are not tall enough to ride" instead you would actually be writing it in the game code that they cannot. Sort of like how "the appropriate skill tree node has not been purchased."

Just reading through this sub for the past few weeks, I've seen a lot of creative ways where this could be achieved. Some seem fair/doable, others not. But ultimately it's your game and I trust your judgment :)

Not a problem! I didn't take it as combative :) There are lot of great suggestions that have appeared on the sub-reddit and we escalate a lot of the issues / suggestions to the development team. There are a LOT of factors that go into a feature and some of them take time to get right. There are some things gated behind technical limitations, development time for a feature, testing for a feature, if the feature fits the intended design, etc. We definitely don't want to rush things before they are done so that we don't break other things!

I love the amount of detail you can get with gel pens.. very cool! This reminds me of the Taker pen art someone posted a while back. These are awesome!

Originally posted by EducationalTeaching

"Aren't technically breaking any rules."

You guys are the developers, don't you write the rules?

Yes, but telling someone they can't zone into a higher level zone doesn't mean players still won't do this. Reporting them, even with the better system, still won't prevent them from doing it. We need to have a better system in place to address lower level players from being able to join higher level content.. regardless if they are brought up by a friend or not.

Originally posted by Captain_awesom3

About a month ago I was playing STW with a friend and mentioned to me that he randomly had 2000 vbucks and didn't know where they came from. After a little research he check his purchase history and it seemed someone, not him, had charged his account for those vbucks. So he sent an email to support, sinces its the only way to get a hold of them, about it asking them to remove them from his account and refund him. a couple days go by still nothing. He still had the vbucks and no communication from Epic at all. He messages them again hoping just hear something back from them. At this point he didn't care if he lost the vbucks he had been earning from playing STW or they just rolled his progress back. He just wanted to hear something from them. The next day he logs on there is another 1000 vbucks someone charged to his account. This time instead of going to EPIC he went to card company and reported them as fraud and had the Card company refund him the money instead of Epic. As you can tell from either title or just the situation, you know what happens next. A day maybe two go by he logs in and his account has been banned for fraud on his account. He reaches out to the support multiple times and as most you know they dont respond. We were really enjoying this game but getting no response from support not even like we are looking into the issue or anything just kills the game. I have seen ton of other post of the same thing happening. Guess Epic just Bans now ask question later type of company.

Edit: Just as quick edit its been a month and they still haven't responded to any of his tickets that he opened. They probably auto close his tickets when they banned him.

Hey Captain_Awesom3! I've reached out to you via private messages so we don't spam the thread.

Originally posted by -_Akira-_

THIS!!!!!!! THEY DONT EVEN RESPOND TO YOU but if you check their reddit comments they are on all damn day goofing around on memes.

The responses you see on here comes from the Community team or the Development team. Neither of which are part of the CS staff and do not have the ability to look into support cases.

Originally posted by some-incomp

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EDIT: Epic's Response

/u/Magyst replied to this thread, saying:

This is a great write up and provides really good information for the QA team. We are already aware of this issue and have a bug in place for it. But this is great additional information! Thanks!

So, no need to pester them further about it. Just look forward to the bug they have in place for it!

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Ever since the 4.0 patch, items seem to have started malfunctioning when they're being held by a ninja. While I've posted in both major megathreads since then about the problem, we still have yet to get any kind of acknowledgement from Epic about this. All platforms are probably affected by this.

Broken Textures

Textures for a plethora of items seem to just get shuffled when a ninja holds them. This is not limited to craftables or even weapons -- this issue affects the pickaxes.

• Stonewood Pickaxe
• Plankerton Pickaxe
• Canny Valley Pickaxe
  • The blue "energy" part of the pickaxe remains unaffected by this bug, but you can still see glitched textures along the handle.
• not in Twine yet :(

As you can see, all of the pickaxes look horrible, some more so than others.

This also extends to weapons, but not all weapons. Following this is a list of weapons that I know are affected by this bug. If I have screenshot evidence, then each one should link to a small imgur album that compares the broken and not-broken textures.

• Siegebreaker/Equalizer
• Founder's Blazing Masamune
• Grave Digger
• Husk Cleaver
• Sawtooth Spear
• Hunter-Killer (thanks /u/An_Unarmed_Waffle!)
• Dragonfly (thanks /u/Pajamaman24!)
• Nocturno (thanks /u/-BINK2014-!)
• Scoped Wasp (thanks /u/hydra877!)
• Huskcleaver
• Vindertech Shotgun (thanks /u/PH_007!)

If you want to add any items or screenshots to this list, just let me know via reply or PM. I'll edit them in shortly thereafter.

Broken Element Effects

We all know that elemental weapons have a cool tipped barrel in the appropriate color, as well as some particle effects around the weapon. These particle effects work fine. However, the cool tipped barrels (or flaming swords) do not.

The first time you equip the weapon, you should still see the tipped barrel. Then, once you switch to a different weapon and back, the effect is gone.

Examples

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• Energy Specter before
• Energy Specter after

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• Fire Bald Eagle before
• Fire Bald Eagle after

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• Founder's Blazing Masamune before
• Founder's Blazing Masamune after

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• Energy Stormblade before
• Energy Stormblade after

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Now, sometimes you'll be able to switch back and forth with one particular weapon without losing the effect. I wasn't able to find a way to replicate this reliably -- I only notice it happening in some missions.

Since it's loosely related, I think I should mention another bug regarding weapon effects: other players don't see them anymore. You can't tell what element your buddy is using on his gun. Instead, he has to tell you.

Anyway, this ninja-related issue doesn't render the game unplayable nor does it affect gameplay in any way. Still, it is disheartening to see that this annoying and obvious bug has gone on for so long without a proper fix. I'd imagine that its fix could be included in just a content patch, but here we are, one month later, without so much as acknowledgement.

This is a great write up and provides really good information for the QA team. We are already aware of this issue and have a bug in place for it. But this is great additional information! Thanks!

Originally posted by Details-Examples

Ranger + Ranger: Best in Slot Perks for DPS vs Physical

The following takes a look at most the pistols you'd see in the default section of the collection book. The purpose was to figure out which pistols are best for taking down 'tanky' husks. It's not every single pistol (I've left out most of the 'special ones'). We'll make the following assumptions

• 100% accuracy (no missed shots)
• 100% conditional status up-time
• Headshot rates at 0%, 100%
• No benefit from debilitating shots
• Crystal versions of weapons used

 

It's a purely dps comparison, not going to take into consideration damage per hit or ammo types and is only accurate to Ranger+Ranger. Maybe other Support Hero combinations are better, maybe they're not (I haven't checked those for the purpose of this analysis). If there's a difference between 0% headshots and 100% headshots for perks, then we know that at some point the number of headshots change the best perk combinations (but I haven't been bothered to figure out what the threshold is for each weapon)

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Hero Loadout Important Info

• Crit Rating: 18
• Crit Damage: 70%
• Pistol Damage: 48%

 

Results

 

Note: The Monsoon has a 'wind-up' time of about 1 second. I've factored (1.0 seconds) in as extra time required for DPS calculations on this weapon.

 

Name	0% Headshot (DPS)	Perks	100% Headshot (DPS)	Perks
Bald Eagle	895.000	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1495.000	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Bolt Bolt	1022.093	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1526.687	Weapon Rolls: (1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Falcon	943.705	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1576.417	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Haywire Storm	1119.184	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1781.818	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Jackal	1133.662	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1719.212	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Judge	844.930	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1411.417	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Monsoon	1220.398	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1420.577	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Thrasher	1027.738	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 30 Crit Rating, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1425.653	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Viper	1337.192	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	1863.735	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate

Bonus Results: Cross-over point for %Headshot to be better than Crit Damage

Name	Headshot %	Perks	Headshot %	Perks
Viper	67	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	68	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate,
Haywire Storm	57	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	58	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate
Jackal	67	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 42% Fire Rate, (1x) 135% Crit Dmg	68	(1x) 75% Reload Speed, (1x) 45% Dmg to Conditional, (1x) 40% Headshot, (1x) 42% Fire Rate,

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Discussion

Obviously I'm not considering things like ammo cost, weapon durability, weapon spread and other variables like that in this comparison and I'm assuming 100% accuracy, but for me the biggest surprise going into this was just how poorly the 'Heavy Ammo' Pistols perform from a DPS perspective.

• With 0% headshots, the best (Viper) puts out ~ 58% more DPS than the worst (Judge)
• With 100% headshots, the best (Viper) puts out ~ 32% more DPS than the worst (Judge)

 

Whilst the Haywire Storm and Jackal have about the same 'range' on their weapons the Viper has shorter range.

• Viper: Max Damage: 0 to 1.0 tiles
• Haywire and Jackal: Max Damage: 0 to 1.5 tiles

 

I need to point out that 'distance to target' is something that I often do not factor in to these examples because I'm assuming if a player is smart enough to make use of the information they're going to be able to figure that out on their own. The Siegebreaker (Assault Rifle) only deals max damage to 2 tile range and yet most Soldiers you probably see using it will be 'sniping the spawn' which is ~ 10 tiles away. If you're not within 'max damage' range for your respective weapon (and this is a lot closer than many people are willing to admit) you're always going to be dealing less damage than you could be. I mean, if you're using a Viper from 0 to 1.0 tiles for maximum damage you're effectively in melee-range anyway. 1 tile distance is 512 range. You can look up your weapons in stormshield.one to figure out their 'engagement distances'.

 

I need to make a special mention of the 'Bolt Bolt' pistol. It doesn't technically top 'dps' but it does penetrate multiple targets (and is one of the few weapons capable of penetration/cleave). You can see from the numbers in the table that if you just hit 2 targets in the body you'd easily get top dps (2 body shots has more dps than even a Viper at 100% headshot rate)

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Conclusions

I'm assuming a 'tank killing' scenario for the weapon perks, that means things like Husky Husks, Smashers, Mini-Bosses. Whether you're capable of geting the minimum headshot % on these targets or not is something for you to decide. How I play the game (which, will generally be in CQC regardless of the hero I'm on) is likely to be very different to how you play the game. You might never be close enough for maximum damage, you might not have an angle to get headshots. Only you know your play-style. 100% bodyshot accuracy on something like a Smasher is perfectly achievable and isn't very hard at all, but will even be close enough to get maximum damage? Stuff like this is up to you to decide.

 

Maybe some of the event pistols are better, maybe they're not, but at the very least you have a general idea about which pistols are good for dps, and which pistols are less good.

This is definitely an awesome break down. I've been working on a Ranger build and this is an awesome comparison on which weapons to focus on. Thanks for putting this together!